Is a King Ever Equal to a Grand?

The Question Vintage Seiko Makes Surprisingly Difficult to Answer

Names are useful things.

They tell us where something sits.

Good. Better. Best.

Or, in Seiko's case:

King. Grand.

Surely Grand Seiko is the superior watch and King Seiko sits somewhere underneath it?

Today that seems straightforward enough.

Go back to Japan in the 1960s, put the actual watches on the bench, and things become considerably less tidy.

Because King Seiko wasn't simply a cheaper Grand Seiko.

It came from somewhere else.

And for a period, the King and the Grand were engaged in one of the most interesting rivalries in Japanese watchmaking.

Grand Arrives First

Grand Seiko appeared in 1960.

Produced by Suwa Seikosha, its ambition was considerable: to create the finest watch Seiko was capable of making.

The following year another name appeared.

King Seiko.

This time the watch came from Daini Seikosha, Seiko's other major manufacturing operation.

Its position was different. King Seiko offered high accuracy, excellent construction and refined design at a more accessible price.

That sounds like a conventional hierarchy.

Except Suwa and Daini weren't simply producing different price points according to instructions from above.

They were also competing.

And competition has a habit of upsetting carefully arranged hierarchies.

Two Ways of Building a Very Good Watch

The rivalry between Suwa and Daini gave Seiko something unusual.

Two engineering teams could approach the same problem differently.

Movements were developed separately. Designs evolved separately. Ideas competed.

King Seiko therefore developed an identity of its own.

The 1965 KSK is perhaps where that becomes most obvious.

Sharp case lines, broad flat surfaces, strong faceted lugs and a distinctive emphasis on the twelve o'clock marker gave King Seiko a visual character that was unmistakably Japanese and unmistakably its own.

Vintage King Seiko 45-7000 Hi-Beat photographed by Past2Present Watches
King Seiko 45-7000. By the end of the 1960s, Daini's King Seiko had developed a character entirely of its own.

This wasn't Grand Seiko with something removed.

It was King Seiko.

And two years later, the relationship became even more interesting.

The 44 Problem

Collectors of vintage Seiko eventually encounter two names:

44KS and 44GS.

And this is where the simple ladder of King below Grand starts wobbling.

The calibre 44 was developed by Daini and used in King Seiko.

In 1967, Daini also produced the 44GS.

That watch became enormously important because its case established what became known as the Grand Seiko Style — the design language that continues to influence Grand Seiko today.

Think about that for a moment.

One of the most important watches in Grand Seiko's design history emerged from the same Daini lineage that was producing King Seiko.

The border between King and Grand was already rather more porous than the names suggest.

Then They Shared the Race

By the late 1960s, the pursuit of accuracy had moved into high-frequency watchmaking.

Daini developed the calibre 45 family, running at 36,000 vibrations per hour.

Those movements appeared in both King Seiko and Grand Seiko.

Vintage Grand Seiko 4520-8000 Hi-Beat 36000 photographed by Past2Present Watches
Grand Seiko 4520-8000. Like the King Seiko above, its Daini-built calibre belongs to the remarkable 45-series Hi-Beat family.

The 45KS and 45GS weren't identical watches and weren't adjusted, finished or positioned identically.

That distinction matters.

But mechanically they belonged to the same remarkable Daini family.

So when we put a vintage 45KS on the bench, it is difficult to think of it merely as the cheaper relation.

Underneath is an expression of the same extraordinary period of engineering that produced the 45GS.

The badge matters.

But so does what's behind the dial.

Grand Was Still Grand

None of this means King Seiko and Grand Seiko were secretly the same product with different names.

They weren't.

Grand Seiko occupied the higher position.

Greater attention could be given to adjustment, specification, finishing and presentation. Certain movements and references belonged exclusively to Grand Seiko, and the standards associated with the name continued to develop.

If you bought a Grand Seiko, you were buying Seiko's flagship.

King Seiko's achievement is more interesting than pretending otherwise.

It managed to sit below Grand Seiko without being ordinary.

That's a rather difficult position to occupy.

The Watchmaker Complicates Things

Fifty or sixty years later, another problem enters the argument.

Condition.

A hierarchy printed in an old catalogue doesn't tell us which watch we'd rather own today.

Put a tired Grand Seiko beside an excellent King Seiko and the badge cannot restore worn components, replace lost case geometry or undo decades of indifferent maintenance.

Likewise, an exceptional Grand Seiko deserves to be understood for what it originally represented.

Vintage watches arrive on the bench as individuals.

Their history since leaving the factory matters.

That's one of the reasons we find the King-versus-Grand question so enjoyable.

We're no longer choosing between two new watches sitting in a Seiko retailer in 1968.

We're choosing between two survivors.

And Then There Is the Case

There is another reason King Seiko has acquired such a following among vintage collectors.

Some of them are simply beautiful.

The strong case geometry of the KSK and later references, the medallions, sharply cut indices and restrained dials give many King Seikos an extraordinary presence on the wrist.

Grand Seiko may have occupied the higher rung, but aesthetic preference doesn't always respect hierarchy.

Sometimes the King is simply the watch you prefer looking at.

Collectors are inconvenient like that.

So, Is a King Ever Equal to a Grand?

Historically?

No.

Grand Seiko was positioned above King Seiko and represented Seiko's highest ambitions.

Mechanically?

Sometimes the distance becomes remarkably small.

There are periods where King Seiko and Grand Seiko share engineering lineage and where the technical distinction suggested by the names becomes much less obvious.

As a vintage watch to own today?

That's where we'll refuse to give you an answer.

Because once condition, originality, design, movement and personal taste enter the equation, the old hierarchy can only tell you so much.

Perhaps that's why King Seiko has become so interesting.

It doesn't need us to pretend it was Grand Seiko.

The King was rather good at being the King.

And sometimes, that's the watch we'd take home.

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